xcepts from a letter I wrote to the Mnistry of Education insisting teaching Christian Living:
Pursuant to our discussion about the subject of ?Christian Living? being introduced as a compulsory subject and my objection to its subjective substance, you asked that we document our objections.
As concerned parents, we would like to know whose version of Christian living you will be teaching? Those who supported and perpetrated the inquisitions and the crusades? Or those that asked for their God?s blessing of the Allied weapons in World War II, or those that blessed the Third Reich?s weapons?
Based on whose translation of the Bible? Which of these translation and why that one in particular? http://www.geocities.com/bible_translation/english.htm - list.
Is you advocacy of Christ based on the teachings and life of Jesus as portrayed in what is now called ?The Bible?, assembled out of arbitrarily selected manuscripts, democratically voted on the be canonnized?
Is this the same Jesus that supposedly came into the world to expressly offer himself as a willing sacrifice to attone for mankind?s sin, after he helped create them? (John 1:1). The same Jesus that then laments in Matt. 27:46: ?My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me??, spoken by a saviour that could not save himself? Not exactly spoken by someone voluntarily dying for our sins, but someone expressing absolute displeasure with what was happening to him, he asks in Matt. 26:39: ??let this cup pass from me.?, clearly indicating it was not his choice.
Or the Jesus that in Matt. 5:22 condemns to hell anyone who calls other fools, (Greek word ?moros?) and then does it himself? Matt. 23:17 and 19.
Or the Jesus who admitted to not being the model of propriety in Mark 10:18 ?Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.?, while followers contend that he was immaculate and the model of sinless perfection?
Are you teaching the Jesus that lies about not attending the feast and then does so secretly? John 7:8-10. Or the Jesus that lies to the thief on Golgotta saying ?Today shalt thou be with me in paradise? when he was to spend three days in the tomb? Matt 12:40.
How about Jesus? contradiction and hypocricy, when in one instance he admonishes: ?Honor thy father and thy mother? (Matt. 15:4) then denounces his mother with ?Woman, what have I to do with thee?? and declares? ?If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and his mother, and his wife, and his children, and bretheren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple? Luke 14:26. I do believe most parents will find it rather distasteful to know their children are being instructed thus.
Do you love his hypocricy as continued in Matt.5:44 where Jesus tells people to love their enemies and bless those that curse them, but then does the opposite? Matt. 23:17, Matt. 12:24, Matt. 23:27 and John 10:8. Or saying: ?All that take up the sword shall perish with the sword? (Matt. 26:52) yet tells his disciples: ?Let he who hath no sword, sell his garment, and buy one? Luk2 22:36. Or telling people in Matt . 5:22 that: ?everyone that is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgement? and then ?looked around at them with anger? (Mark 3:5)
Or the same Jesus who said? ?Think not that I came to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword.? Matt. 10:34 or ?Nay, but rather division?. (Luke 12:51) as the Prince of Peace?
Or will kids be taught the deceit of one Jesus, who owned a house (Mark 2:5) but told his followers to sell their possessions and give it to the poor? Matt, 19:21
Will you be teaching kids to have Jesus? fake courage, when he says: ?Be not afraid of them that kill the body? but then flees, hides, sneaks and escapes his supposed destiny? John 7:1, John 8:59, John 10:39, Matt. 12:14-16, John 11:53-54, Matt. 10:23, Mark 1:45 and John 6:15.
Or will you be teaching children the absurdity of executing an innocent person, Jesus, just because he volunteers? Or this vengeful God that does not really care who pays the price, as long as it?s paid? That is not justice, it is a bloodthirsty god who wants revenge.
How about teaching children how useless prayer is; that even Jesus praying that Peter not betray him (Luke 22:31-33) failed him, even though he promised everyone ?whatever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.?
By this time, you will get the point. We can continue with hundreds more such issues. Whether we talk about the character Jesus, or the communist Christian congregations he spawned (Acts 2:44, Acts 4:32-35), we do believe that when most parents realize the real character behind this hypocricy, they too will be perturbed and question the content of this class.
If you have the courage of conviction, then have the courage to disclose the truth and the whole truth.
Stephen John Gault
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Strange things about Jesus
by Stephen John Gault in1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.
it did not exist.
do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?
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Strange things about Jesus
by Stephen John Gault in1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.
it did not exist.
do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?
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1. Has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned. It did not exist. Do you not find it strange that when Joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made Mary pregnant, he did not ask "Who the f--- is the holy spirit?" (Just like Adam and Eve did not say: "What the f----- is the EVIL stuff" when God said Gen 2:18 "This is the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL")
2. Do you not find it strange that Mathew has 43 generation between David and Joseph and Luke only has 28, with only two names in common?
3. Or that it did not matter whether Joseph decended from David because Jesus was not his natural blood child anyway and therefore not David's bloodline.
4. Don't you find it strange that only Mathew says anything about Herod killing Jewish babies under two and Joseph and Mary fleeing to Egypt when none of the other do, nor does Josephus say anything about such a significant event, and why did John the baptis's parents not flee as well?
5. Did it ever ocur to you that Mathews verbose rendition of Jesus' death paints saints getting ressurected and going into the city, where did they get clothes, how long had they been dead, did they return to their old wives and girlfriends, what happened to the people who were now married to these women and occupied their houses?
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Relationships and age difference
by greendawn inpeople say that love is blind to age difference but when you have/had to strike a relationship or marry with someone what's the maximum age difference that is/was acceptable to you?
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You are only as old as the woman you feel. And I felt 31 all this year. (She says she liked it.)
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Gullible or Seekers of Truth?
by acadian in's seekers of truth... gullible...
or do they just close their eyes to the truth ?
considering flip/flops and wrong dates and such... and we still believe...(well not any more!
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I submit that truth seeker would want to first examine the origins of this compilation of manuscripts that, around 393CE, got voted on by members of the Roman Catholic Church and canonized by democratic vote to compile what now is called - The Bible (Duay). If "all scriptures were inspired by God and beneficial", what about the other over 2,000 manuscripts (scriptures) that did not make it in? Or were those about 500 clergymen who voted inspired by God? And if they were, why the hundreds upon hundreds of contridictions and scientific inaccuracies?
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Monogamy - true or false?
by Stephen John Gault inrecognizing that monogamy was nowhere proscribed in the bible other than "elders should be the husband of one wife" in the same breath as "hospitable" and "able to teach", how do you ex-jw's regard monogamy?
and is what's good for the goose, good for the gander?
and are you prepared to tell your partner about your non-monogamous nature and allow her/him the same latitude?
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Note, the opposite of monogamy is not polygamy.
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Monogamy - true or false?
by Stephen John Gault inrecognizing that monogamy was nowhere proscribed in the bible other than "elders should be the husband of one wife" in the same breath as "hospitable" and "able to teach", how do you ex-jw's regard monogamy?
and is what's good for the goose, good for the gander?
and are you prepared to tell your partner about your non-monogamous nature and allow her/him the same latitude?
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Stephen John Gault
Country girl, you quoted me but never answered any of the questions.
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Monogamy - true or false?
by Stephen John Gault inrecognizing that monogamy was nowhere proscribed in the bible other than "elders should be the husband of one wife" in the same breath as "hospitable" and "able to teach", how do you ex-jw's regard monogamy?
and is what's good for the goose, good for the gander?
and are you prepared to tell your partner about your non-monogamous nature and allow her/him the same latitude?
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Master and Johsons and later McKinsey performed the studies on "infidelity" and came up with fairly high percentages, 70-78% of men "cheating" and women about 16% lower, though they believed they had to adjust men's number downward and women's upward, as men tended to brag about their prowess, whereas women would even conceal it from their best friends. After adjusting for those phenomena, men's numbers were not that dramatically different to women's, but for different reasons. For those advocating monogamy, do you know when that was imposed on humans and why? Non-monogamyst and even polygamyst societies are still prevalent, just not in the Judeo-Christian circles. Why is that? Has anyone questioned the rule, before they condemn and destroy those who's human nature defies this imposed of late, artificial existence? I find it particularly curious, that the 70% cheating males should also exist within this Board, yet none other than one gay guy spoke about his "infidelity". Me thinks, people are still living the same, but only slightly different lies they lived as JW's.
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Monogamy - true or false?
by Stephen John Gault inrecognizing that monogamy was nowhere proscribed in the bible other than "elders should be the husband of one wife" in the same breath as "hospitable" and "able to teach", how do you ex-jw's regard monogamy?
and is what's good for the goose, good for the gander?
and are you prepared to tell your partner about your non-monogamous nature and allow her/him the same latitude?
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Stephen John Gault
Oldsoul - ever fantasized about anyone other than your girl of the time?
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Monogamy - true or false?
by Stephen John Gault inrecognizing that monogamy was nowhere proscribed in the bible other than "elders should be the husband of one wife" in the same breath as "hospitable" and "able to teach", how do you ex-jw's regard monogamy?
and is what's good for the goose, good for the gander?
and are you prepared to tell your partner about your non-monogamous nature and allow her/him the same latitude?
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Having met several ex-jw couples in places like Hedonism III, I wondered if there was a common thread. Having observed the lies and deceit, covering affairs for years prior to my departure from teh org, I wondered if the departed have come to better insights and whether the deceit is perpetuated, but just under a different banner?
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Monogamy - true or false?
by Stephen John Gault inrecognizing that monogamy was nowhere proscribed in the bible other than "elders should be the husband of one wife" in the same breath as "hospitable" and "able to teach", how do you ex-jw's regard monogamy?
and is what's good for the goose, good for the gander?
and are you prepared to tell your partner about your non-monogamous nature and allow her/him the same latitude?
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Stephen John Gault
Recognizing that monogamy was nowhere proscribed in the Bible other than "Elders should be the husband of one wife" in the same breath as "hospitable" and "able to teach", how do you ex-jw's regard monogamy? And is what's good for the goose, good for the gander? And are you prepared to tell your partner about your non-monogamous nature and allow her/him the same latitude? How do you live with integrity while professing monogamy, assuming you don't masturbate and don't fantasize about anyone other than your wife/partner when you do?